Podcast Ep14: VanaDeLuna Feminization Progress Updates

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Where our final learning never ends, we are going to be talking about my fantasies, fetishes, experiences, we're going to be talking with my subs and perverts and then about the pee and the hole, the ball and the sack and the pubes and the pussy and the calm and the goo in the holes and the toes in the mouth and and your tongue in my ass and the nipples in the clams and the nitrous in the rain and whatever I invent and whatever is I want and whatever it is I want to vomit on your lovable face and and let's face it, whether you like it or not you always finish paying for it. And then let's have tens of fun and hundreds of laughs because what's the point right? Find me where there is a sun, where the sea ends. Oh my god, that's the point. Yes, let's open our mouth and show our teeth to the world and if you have teeth, it doesn't matter, show it anyways, let go of shame and let's go, let's get lost, let's get back to basics, suck your own dick just like the image of the snake biting its own tail. Let's have fun in this positive and negative world in this never ending spell we're all in. Let's fuck things up together in this eternal chaos. Well, if you think about it, chaos is not chaos, it's just an order we don't understand yet. Are we ever going to understand it? I don't know, just ride the wave, baby, cheers, fun, live, love, laugh. So, let's move on and read one of the letters I've received in the manual. Okay, I have it here, I'm touching it, let me open the envelope, let me take out the paper, I'm opening it wide and now it's open, okay, this is it? Yes, I know from what planet you come from and I speak that language too and yes, this is an emergency and you need to call me at my cell phone so I can heal you with some more nitrates, call me at nightflirt.com slash brat perversions so you can get well and feel better, you can do this, we can all do this with hope. So, the guest for today is our friend Vanna de Luna. We are going to hear all of the changes and faces she's been through and we're going to see how fabulous and funny and intelligent and sexy and lovable and real and talented she is. So, let's all get wet, crazy, affected, full, influenced by this full moon energy she carries within and let's all get lunatic. Why not? Let's get in love with this wild woman that is Vanna de Luna bitch. Hello, I'm not you Luna, how are you? I am doing wonderful here, let me let me be all dark and mysterious like you. Yeah, let's be mysterious with the, let's be shady bitches, right? Because you're glasses to throw shade bitch, right? I can't see shit. Back to the, back to the glasses so you can see my signature look. I like it, I like it, it makes you look intellectual, it makes you look like your read book. Yeah, I'm going to learn it. Or it gives me that cool extra girl next door kind of look. Exactly, right? I'm like the dick girl next door, you know, you see here at the gym, you see here going for walks, you see that little bulge in her leggings, but you're not really sure until that one day come over trying to borrow some brown sugar or something. And then they give you the brown sugar on your on the glass. I can't help it. I did not feel once like that. Have you seen those when they got where they guys like they come on the glasses of the neat girl, the nerd girl, I love it. And you know trust me, lots of guys always want to do that and I am all for it. But like, you know, these are my actual glasses. Like I want to just like show my face in a fucking thing and like put their head on my, they put their foot on my face. And I'm like, yeah, dude, watch it. These are Gucci. Okay. Like, this is what used to it because we're going to talk now because you've been in more in a dominant kind of relationship. You're the dominant now. Well, you know, I'm always a switch, but like, um, I have definitely, I've done actually since the last time I spoke to you, which has been like what, a year and a half since the last time I spoke to you. Yeah, I'm just, I don't remember a year and time doesn't exist anymore. So I have lived three lifetimes in the last six months. That's not even the point. But the point is, um, last time we spoke, I have, um, I've gotten on a much better regiment of hormones. And it has granted me my girl dick back. So like, I actually, I'm able to top and I have been topping quite a bit, um, really? In the past, we didn't talk. I mean, I tried to, but like, it got harder and harder. You got more, after like seven months on hormones, like, your dick does transform into a girl dick and doesn't really get like hard, hard anymore. Like, I don't shoot loads anymore. That's, that's over. And I get like little, little sissy squirt, so a little bit of honey drips. Which is tasty. That's yummy. Yeah, you love it. If there's one thing I miss, it's like the big giant loads. You know, we all want that fun. I don't miss it. But like, here's the thing though, like clients always want that. Like, so many guys are like, you know, can I soak your dick? I'm like, yeah, of course. So like, can you come over my face? I'm like, I will come, but like, nothing's gonna go all over your face. You know, like, I can spit on you if you want. And they always do. But the important thing is, you know, to feel the warm of the of the, of the fog, the warm, the meat, the show, the texture. Actually, one of my, one of my clients that I top is actually a big fan of yours. And I think he saw me on your podcast and found out that we live close to each other. I was going to, we're going to talk about that. First of all, how do you? Because I got so excited because of the, I was going to ask, I go, we chat. Like, we don't see each other, but we chat all the time. We talk. Me and Brad are friends. Okay. Everybody asked me to chat in the world. Chris shared universe that we, of course, we help each other. I mean, we inspire each other. Yeah. You definitely inspire me. Because whenever, because your clips pop up on the internet constantly. So I'm like, oh, it's Brad. And then I see you. And like, you've always been inspiring. You've inspired me to like, in all directions, be it top or bottom, to like be a better version of all of those things. Have fun while I'm at it, you know. Except we have fun made money too. You know, we have to live. We have to eat. Yes, that is true. I can't live off just shots. There's not a scene in there. All right. Yeah. So I wish there was. I have here my, I have here my nose. So everything, you know, gets, you know, order. You know, I saw some tangent in this. I love you because you talk and you take it, you know, you own it. That's always. You should have a podcast. I would, but I don't have the audience that you have. I wanted to be on your podcast. Hello, you start somewhere and you put it on YouTube and talking, talking about your interest and talking about whatever make it different. We're in the Aquarius era. Aquarius, baby. Once again, you are right. Yeah. North, North, Gemini Aquarius era. Things are going to be different. The ocean. We have to eliminate it. Things that just didn't work. So we have to die right now in 2020. We're all dying. And we don't want to. And then we're going to transform into something that we don't even know what it is. But it's, you know, I've already started that process. You know, in, we have been in quarantine for what, like seven months now, like, or six months or eight, who the fuck knows, right? It's been forever. But like in that time, I have lost like 35 pounds. I have. I've gotten a lot more work done. You know, I had a day job, but not since March. Like, I've been a sex worker like 100% of the time. This, this whole year. And to be honest, it's almost like the silver lining because like, I'm happier about it. Like in the past couple of weeks, like, day job has started to slowly come back. And like, whenever I'm out there, I'm like, oh, this sucks. I'd rather take a dick and do this. And I'm like, that's what I say. And then people are hitting me on Skype or night flare it. And I'm like, yes, this is where I belong. Yeah, you know, and it's. Yeah, it's natural for us to do it. Some people don't dare. Some sort of, some people going to be difficult to see what they're going to do because a lot of jobs, you know, they're going to end the money is going to change things are going to work in the world, going to change. So we have to get creative with it. And I was actually just getting more into escorting like in December and January and February of, you know, this past winter, like, I paid my rent all three of those months by like escorting like, you know, doing the whole like meet guys on fat life with cheesy motel. And because you know, that's when you get like, the most I did was three in one day. And so I did, I space them apart by an hour. I'd fuck one guy, take an hour off in the next guy hour off next guy. And I made my. That was, that was tough though. I would not do that again because that was very taxing on me. Like, yeah, I know it's tiring. I'm sorry. Yeah, when I used to shoot when everything was well, I used to shoot like three scenes in a day. And at the end, it was like, oh my god. So tiring, you know, but you know, that's the job. You know, like, the way I think about it, and this is applicable to any job, but very applicable to sex work. And like, sometimes you really work for it. And sometimes you don't really have to work for it that hard. Because like, on a day when I fucked like people, you know, just to make my around like, I really worked for it that day. But then I can have a day a week later where like some really, like some coped up rich guy on Skype is just going to give me 200 bucks to like look at my tips for an hour. And that's totally cool too. You know, I mean, the way I'm like, really working. And the other way I'm just like working. I don't know, I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love that top. I love that top. Oh, by the way, 2020 has like kind of like, I don't really do like, the lace stockings anymore. Like, I'm surprised I put on makeup. It's just because I'm on like a podcast. I'm all about like the lounge wear. You know, that crop tops and little. Yeah, that's piece of meat. Yeah, I want to do too. I wish like, I could be there. I could sniff your ass. Oh, I wish you could too. Oh, I would, you know, what? One and one point of why we have to meet and we have to shoot a couple of clips. I feel like we can do it. Now that we know each other, we have chemistry, like a kissing video. Oh my god. I am honored. Yeah, I mean, look at that body. I mean, everybody, like the, like the body doesn't have to be a certain way. It's you. It's how you pair it. Oh my god. Look at that. There it is. Sorry, I'm getting all excited. I want to do a kissing scene with you. Oh, I would love it. Just kissing. Just kissing. So when the NYC guys do this video, he could just like, we should totally do like a, like a, like a, like, on pet. Yes, no, we have to look like a, like a cuck video where it says you and me just like, kissing and teasing some poor little cuck. Oh my god. That would be a dream. That would be a fucking dream. And I would love to for you to do like a straw bomb. And fuck me with a straw bomb. It's the next friend. Yeah. What about my, what about my real dick? It works. It works. Well, real big. I want it in the ass. Oh, well, good morning. And I want a cream pie. You honor me again. I would, I could, I could be so lucky. All right. I might actually actually come again if that happens. You know, I think every last little bit of sperm, be like, Holy shit, this is our last chance, boys. And yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm with a butt baby. Yeah. Wow. So have you been making clips? Have you been getting freaky in your house and this times of quarantine? You know, I, I have been getting very freaky in my house and the quarantine, but I have not seen a lot of clips because like, I do, I do a lot of, I think the most I've done has been a lot of like one-on-one cam shows just like this via Skype. And that's to everybody watching. That's what I will be advertising today. But like, I want to make more pouring clips. But I don't want to do it alone. I work so much better with another person there. So like, and I've been like asking whenever I meet some guy, I'm like, would you be interested in actually filming yourself? Fuck me. And they always say yes. And then when it comes to it, they don't want to. It's, I've had a couple of like ugly situations with guys that I was like halfway dating who know I'm a sex worker, who know the whole bit. And I'm like, listen, you'd really help me out if we could, if you can just shoot a clip with me. And they never want to. Or they do it in a shitty way. Like, I'll hold the phone this way. I'm like, no, you got to hold it this way. But I mean, yeah, hold. Because I don't want to hold everywhere. There are. And I'm like, I want to make more. But I do not want to make shitty porn. Like, I, most of my clips are already kind of like amateur. And I don't want to make that. I want to make a quality. The lighting sucks already. So like, I'm not going to shoot here. Like, anyway, but like, so I'm putting this on. I'm putting a real video. Please hit me up. I am available. Of course, of course, you're up to me. Something good looking, you know, nice artistry. Yeah, I want to, I want an opportunity to like, really act, you know? Because, you know, I fucking sell it if I'm fucking, if you're going to put that camera in my face with a dick in my mouth, I'm going to pretend that I fucking love this man. Like, and I'm just going to suck his dick like that. That's performing. But, you know, let's do it first before you give yourself to a company, you know, be your own industry. That's, you know, that's why we're heading be your own industry. Do your own stuff. Make it beautiful yourself, too. Yeah, so I think I'll buy, buy me fancy lights and buy me a camera. That would also work. I will also accept that. I don't know much about that. So like, any, you don't need a fancy camera. Nowadays, like, I shoot on my iPhone. Is that, like, there's a movie, there's a movie on Netflix. Um, what's the name? It's a, it's a, like a couple of years ago. It's about transsexuals. Uh, it's like a, like a reality. A fuck. It's something, or something. I don't remember. When I was finished this, I will type it so you can see it. All of that, what's recorded with iPhone 5, something like that. It's a, so Netflix. So don't get fooled with big cameras. Okay, so, so what I need is, like, but you can tell, the lighting sucks in here. This is the light that came with this apartment. Anybody who, like, uses a light like that to light their porn shoot is. This looks like a UFO. And that's, like, yeah, that's, like, that's the only light I really got in here. You know, and like, I have my little adult baby crib of a bed. And like, whenever I tried to shoot in there, like, you know, my forehead's all blown out. And then my under chin is dark. Yeah. It's not a good look. And again, I don't want to make that. It's a pretty light, you know, yeah, it fits the studio yourself. Look on YouTube. There's a lot of videos come to make your life better, you know, I should be proactive step. But again, like, I mean, I'm, I know myself, I'm a bit of a slacker when it comes to that because like, that's, that's the part. That's the minutiae that, like, bogs me down. If I spent like an hour setting up lights in here, I'd be like, well, I want to take a nap. And I, I, I wouldn't shoot anything, you know? Like, yeah, we're both lazy. When somebody, like, calls me on Skype and they want to be like, a camp show right now. And I just, like, snap right to it. And I'm ready to go. Like, I, so, uh, strength slide in the actual performance aspect of it. It's the, the pre-production that fucks me up. So I don't know. I'll try to do it. I know. I know you get nervous. You want to be hurt, you want to make everything to be perfect. Kind of like an OCD kind of thing, right? Yeah, I can't help it. I, I, I try to, I strive to be like, uh, like an old-fashioned, like professional. Like, get it all perfect. Get that perfect performance. I have to feel motivated, you know? And, uh, you, like, you have a space. You can, you can make, you can take all of that thing. You're still, but you have to move it. Put the wall there, you know, the wall only, you know, make it clean. And then play with yourself. Play with yourself. You know, play with it. Play with the face. Okay. All right. Fine. I'll, I'll put a little like work into that. I'll put a little like work into that. I'll put a little like work into that. I feel like a, like a granny talking to you. I know, I know. But, you know, you have to get through it. All right. Okay. You can, you're wise. I mean, you can't, uh, wait for other people to call you like, if that happens, that's great. But make your own thing, start with your own thing. Like, a lot of people that you see, starting with their own thing, you know, so gotten tricky. And what are the tainty things you've been requested to do on Skype or by yourself when you're alone and you're talking with yourself and running around naked in your apartment. I could imagine you run around naked playing with your kids. It's always, it's always, it's funny. Like, again, like, this is going to go back to what we were just talking about, like, myself, my own motivation. Like, all to myself, like, I should do a bit more kinky stuff. Like, I always mean to like, stretch my ass hole out with my bigger dildos. But when it comes to myself and my own personal pleasure, like, just a couple of fingers and I got it just right. So like, most of the time whenever I'm on the phone or on cam, and some of the things I want to go, like, you know, I know how to get myself off. And that's what they want to see. But I rarely get to do, you know, proper anal training, unless someone's here. That guy that I was seeing before he turned out to be an asshole, you know, every time he'd come over, he'd get, you know, one finger, two finger, three finger, four finger, like, you know, almost had the whole fist up there. I got this many fingers up there, but I couldn't get the whole fist just yet. I got, I'm working on it now. Practice, practice, practice. I think I've only, I don't know if I've missed it all the way, but kind of like up to here. I think I've missed it a guy up to here a couple of times. But all the way, I don't know, even for me, I don't, I don't like it. If I want something big and sick, I like a real thing, like a real cock, like bread. Yeah, I was just trying to see if I could do it, you know, like when it comes to that, like I was never into like sports or how to say physicality, but like, you know, just the act of being able to get my fist up, my asshole was real, well, just to say I could do it, you know. Yeah, I mean, this is just like, you put yourself like in this position, like this, and then be like, play with it. Yeah, you know, yeah, you put a little bit of a loop. A lot of it. There's a whole lot of it. Let me see how you look doing it. Let me see, let me see your ass. Let me see how you would do it. Okay, hold on. Let me see that. Let me see. Oh my god. Nice ass. I'm like that, right? Yeah, just like that. So yeah, baby. Oh my god, yeah. Yeah. See, they get to it. It's like, you know, fair. I'm like, how did they do that? Like, how in the holy hell did they do that? Like that should always impress you. Practice, practice, practice, practice, you know, practice makes it perfect. Now, I'm just such a slacker. I just sit here all day, smoking weed and talking to perverts on the phone. And then I guess you're fun. All right, yeah, it's lots of fun. But, you know, then when we have the conversation like this and it's like, why haven't you fisted your ass yet? And I'm like, I'm sorry, mom, I should. I mean, I'm like, yeah, you know, one evening, you know, relax, set the space. As I told you, set the space, clean the space. I need to get the mood, you know? Yeah, you have to prefer to all clean the space. When you clean the space, just like a ritual. And you do that and then you relax, have a glass of wine or a glass of water. All right, now I'm in bed. Yeah, comfortable. Yeah, come in bed with me. Oh, I want to be there. I want to be there. I know. Me and my little hello kitty. You can just, I don't know, look at you, hello kitty. She's got a little. Oh, you look like, you look, you look alike. Yeah, yeah, I wonder the things to do with that kitty. The things this kitty has seen, I tell you. Yeah, I have to turn her the other way. I'm like, no, no, no, you got to face this way. That's the way. Don't look, don't look what mommy's doing. Yeah, next to the pain. So what have been your routine? When are you wake up? Ooh, you're waking up. I have gotten, you know, the fun, like, the funny thing about healthy is that it makes you like ridiculously boring. Because I wake up every day at 6.30 AM, and I go for like a jog for like three, sometimes six miles, and I come home and do yoga for like an hour, and then I shower and shave and do the whole BD routine, and then, then I allow myself to eat. And I only eat healthy food. I have like oatmeal with it. I love it. And you know what? Sometimes you feel like it's boring, but I feel like we have to train ourselves to not see that as boring, because we're used to of like of putting our bodies in stress and in a fun kind of way that it's not good for us. And that's fun, right? But it harms us, in a way. No, I have to have to change our way and enjoy boring. Enjoy boring. Enjoy it. Yeah, like I jokingly say it's boring, but like I am personally fascinated at like, ooh, like what can I do that can get me the most amount of like nutrition, but like still keep under my, you know, 1300 calorie per day. Very good. Very good. I love it. It's just a very practical job there. Look at your skin, look at your hair, your like your six appeal. I mean, I'm a good, like on days when I don't get up and run and do yoga, which have been very few, but like I will noticeably be like cranky. I'll have a, you know, poor temper. I'll be whiny. I'm like, no, it isn't this work, man. You know, I'm like, oh, I have a blood pump in yet. You know, like I get it. And you look, you look pumped, you look happy, you look healthy. Look at that. Look at that. This is a clown. This is a goof. Look at that. I am such a clown. You are. You're so funny. I would, I would do clown. It's fucking fun. You wanted me to, if somebody wanted to like put me in clown makeup. I'm spending a day with you. It has to be like the funnest thing ever. I could see it. I mean, right now I'm so much fun with you. Like looking at your face and you're so entertaining. That's why I told you that started with a little podcast. I mean, don't call it a podcast. So it's whatever you want. You know, get key. I'm fine. You know, venting with Bona, just like that, right? Let's go on little rants, old. Hey, wow, it's right now, venting with Bona there. There it is. Rants, you know, talk about things that come out of your heart, you know, things that... I mean, that's pretty much what I do on Night Flair at all day. And sometimes, you know, you ever noticed that when like on Night Flair, like some days, you're all ready to go, but like nobody calls you all day. And then some days, you want to take a day off and then everybody's calling you that day. Like there, actually some of them might see this right now. So like, hey there, Ronnie, hey there, Chrissy, hey there. Oh, hey there, Officer Patrick, you little fucking cuck. That guy loves being blackmailed. He's a police officer and he sucks my dick. It's really hilarious. See, oh yeah, so here's one thing. The police officer gets on his knees and his uniform and sucks my dick. And I take pictures of it and put it on his plate. Yes, exactly. I take it on his plate. Yeah. There's this one client. He's this gorgeously handsome white boy, chiseled jaw, nice chest, big dick for some odd reason. Gives me money to fuck me. I'm like, thank you very much. I mean, I hope you didn't see this because like I would have fucked him for free because he is really hot. But, you know, he pays me for it anyway. But like, that's it. So sometimes, that's a really hot dude comes here. Dicks me down, gives me money and leaves. And I'm like, God damn, this job. I've been lately. I've been into masks, like wearing masks. I've been playing with a girlfriend of mine. And I've been like wearing masks. Like, I don't want to see her. It's not because he's ugly. It's not bad. It's just because I like, you know, to go into my own fantasy. And I have to be careful because now every time I have sex, I want to do it with a mask. Ooh, you have to watch out. Because you have to watch out for when he becomes a fetish. Because a fetish is like, okay, now I'm next. A kink is like. I see it now. And yeah, you've developed it. And I can't concentrate without the mask. And it's something with like the eyes. Like I cannot see her because it's not like I'm going to laugh. I don't know why I'm going to laugh. Or I get like distracted. And the mask makes me go into a whole other world and the sensation that is really my body. When she starts my nipple, it's really hard the way I like it. And she lifts up those purple bruises. Oh my God, this thing. It's like a freedom. Like, I'm not looking at her. I don't know. Like, I can think about that. She's another person or it's her, but it's like another thing. And then the orgasms is like more strong. This I have to be careful. You went from orgasm. Getting your toes sucked with a mask on. Oh, you have to do that. Are you wearing a mask too in the scenario? I am the one who wearing the mask. No, the person. OK, just you. I'm the one who's getting addicted of wearing the mask. Right, very interesting. Wearing the mask and just letting the person touch me, fuck my toes, caress my feet, bite it. It's another level. I throw it to another world. I love it. That's really awesome. My little fetishes, the things that really set me and the things that I really want need. There's a lot of them are dependent on the other person, which is kind of makes me a bit difficult. Of course, I always love my girl dick. Don't get me wrong. But I always want a guy to fixate more on my asshole and my mouth and my girl dick. And that's kind of where. Most guys in the biz, they want to play with my girl dick. And I'm like, all right, whatever. But whenever one of them is obsessed with my asshole, I'm like, yes, daddy, thank you. Because I love having my asshole eaten. And things deep up my ass are great. Just like a little tongue flick, right where the taint needs to be asshole, that little tender spot. I will start fingering my, like rubbing my dick like it's a clip. I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. You're like, yummy. I know. And luckily, if I'm dawming, I can make him lick my ass for as long as possible. But if I'm the bottom, I'm lucky if I get three little licks and he tries to shove his dick in my ass. You got to be ready to take that. Because I can tell like a man who's thinking of me and a man who's thinking of himself, like a man who's thinking of me, he's gonna really, really, lick the, lick the, ever love hell out of my asshole. But yeah, then other guys just give it one little spit and go on their way, which I never quite, never quite like. Hey, you froze, are you still there? Oh, you too, you got froze, okay, now, now he's got six. No, he froze for a second. Yeah, it just gives me, it reminds me of one time when I was younger, I was fucking this guy's cock. And he had, you know, both condoms start like mint flavor. Yeah. Have you seen that? Yeah, I have. Like, years ago before me, Brad and everything. And I started sucking his cock, sucking his cock, and all of a sudden my lips started getting swollen. Like, I got like a reaction, I got a reaction from the mint condom. And then he got so swollen and like all of my mouth got like so swollen reddish. It was so embarrassing. And then, yeah. And then I was with a friend, look at the party, and was with a friend, and then when they saw me, I came out of the room, and then they saw me with my mouth all swollen. You're like, what the hell? You know, the deep punch. Yeah, and they put me, they put me in the car and they took me home because they didn't even knew what I was doing in that room, you know? Like my list was slowly, all of my mouth was swollen. So this is just, you know, if you're gonna suck a cock with the mint condom, beware if you're allergic to it. Very good to know. It's a warning where you look before you leave the type of lesson right there, you know? Oh, okay, let me see. Let me see, have you ever heard any kind of toys using any kind of toys? Have you been using toys? Yeah, you're not. Not a lot. I'm only really used, again, there's like the ones that I use that when people are on the cam lines, but one of my favorite sissies bought me as a gift. One of these glorious things. Oh, fucking, this thing is heavy too. I fucking love this. This toy is the greatest. Oh, but again, it's not like the impressive, like jamming in there, so you get there just right and then you just, oh, you just jerk yourself so you come. And then you smile. Yeah, but like that's again, but that's like you're being used in that toy and then you come with that. You get all that. That's the only toy that I will use like, you know, when I'm alone, because typically just my fingers will get it done and that's cool. But, you know, I have my usual bag of dicks, but I always want guys to buy me more toys and they never do, which I think is, you know what I want? I had a, I'm a big fan of tales, right? I had a really cute kitty tail and a cute little fox tail. I want to get a really nice quality skunk tail. Oh, that is, I'm getting a little bit of gray hair and it's coming right in that typical streak. I want to get like a little streak of gray and get my little skunk tail and like a nasty skunk. And do you know why? I really identify with the skunk as a trans woman because much like a skunk, you know, everyone thinks they're cute and curly, but everyone stays far away from it, you know, very much like a trans girl. Then you, you're gonna say I'm cute but no one wants to actually date me. I'm very much like a skunk, you know? A cute, curly little woodland animal that nobody wants anything to do with. Where? That's not true. That's not true, you know, you have yourself and that, there's more people, like there's more people like the new, like the new that feels the same thing that loneliness and nobody wants me. I'm oddly, I'm not the same, but we have to, we have to, you know, put in your mind that's the true, it's our thinking, it's our thoughts that are trying to put us in that state. Feelings are not as important. That is a very true thing. My therapist actually has been telling me that, like my feelings are valid and that's very true, but they are not that bad. But don't leave it, don't leave your thoughts. You're not like that, yeah, that's true. You know, every time that's what I heard, when you feel that, when you start thinking about that and you get in that black hole, always remember where you are right now. You're sitting here, the moment the presence, you know? And then you capture yourself that you are imagining stuff and then you're going to a past and to a future that doesn't exist. You're hallucinating, you're in an illusion. When in reality, you're just sitting here, you're feeling the floor and a lot of people are in the same scene. You can't wait. Now it really helps. I don't know if you do meditation, but I've been trying to get into meditation. Yes, I do. That's one of the good things about my workout routine. I got to get at least a solid hour and a half where I'm just in my head doing a physical kind of meditation thing, which I like. But those moments are actually very... Well, you know, I was just, you know, about being in the present is so very important. And actually, since the call hung up, I decided that we should try to be a bit more positive. And that's where I'm leading with this. So, yeah. Being in the present is really important. But, you know, also not forgetting where you came from is really important. And it's really important to kind of look at your present, you know, as like the successes that brought you here. Like, think of where I was when I first spoke to you on your podcast on your first episode, like three years ago when I was still just like, you know, a secret sissy, you know, like... And like, you know, and like, since then, I've gotten a lot of the goals that I set for myself, you know, I lost the way I got on hormones, I changed my name, I'm an actual functional sex worker. I wouldn't say I'm like famous or successful, but like, I... No, exactly, there's no point to that. Like, I pay my bills with it, I feed myself with it, I'm very happy with it. And there were so many, like, happy moments that I have. The sad part is that I rarely get to talk about it because I can't talk to my friends or co-workers about it. You know, that what we do is talking and it's scary for us. I know. It's like, it's like, it's for girls, ladies, people that like, they have bosses that are sluts, so they should... I know. People who call us horrors when like, you're gonna go there and like sell some shit that you don't even believe in to someone you do not know, you know, like, to me, like, whenever anybody tries to like, put shame on us for what we do, I'm like, dude, what do you do? That's so fucking great. Exactly, exactly. If I was sitting there behind a desk, like selling insurance or something, I'd be like, I feel like a fucking horror right now. But you know, when I don't feel like a horror, when I'm like sucking off some guy's dick and he making him happy and getting paid for it, like, I don't know. When you own your body, when nobody owns your body, I mean, we don't own anything about us and the space on us, literally, we have to pay, literally, to be here. We have to pay to drink the tap water. We have to pay to drink clean water. We have to pay everything to be here. You know, we were born and our mothers are not owners of us. Yeah, much that they're just me, but yeah. Yeah, we are slaves to the system too. But at least with this way of working, we kind of own, you know, we capitalize on our bodies and we own it, you know? It's been nothing has ever been really more, like, really freeing than like the autonomy I felt when you're taking care of yourself on your own terms, which is the way I like to think about it. I take pride in my work, you know? And I really enjoy, I enjoy what we do, which is why I only want to do better versions. That's why I only want to do like, yeah, you know, exactly. I like for that. Yeah, and you can't, you know, and you can't. And sometimes lowliness is like a message. Sometimes we are in this world in this moment because this is the message. This is where we're supposed to be. And sometimes you have to be lonely. That's true. And loneliness is not loneliness at all because we are with ourselves. We have to start having fun with ourselves. I like to put it that like I'm dating myself and I treat me very good sometimes. Sometimes we get in some fights, you know? And we gotta, you know, take some time apart. Yeah, it's required. Yeah, it's a process. But I love me very much and I take very good care of me and I only want the best for me. And sometimes I want to treat myself like a dirty little whore and other times when I get a little princess. Look at that. You have your whole, you have that body that you can do with it, whatever you want. You oppose yourself to whatever you want. You cover yourself. You transform yourself into whatever you want. You know, it's not a way of being. And one thing that I've learned about this meditation process is that there's no, like, this square scene of like being feminine. I mean, I'm a fifth girl. And like a C.C., it's not supposed to be like me, you know, maybe in the role play and stuff like that because the goal is to be like, how you feel happy. And if I'm feminine, it's an energy. Yeah, it's an energy. You don't have to be a certain way. It's an energy. So it's an energy. Because I have a lot of girlfriends, trans girlfriends, who they will, they'll like, they'll get really sad like comparing themselves to other women. But like, I always try to say, like, if you're going to compare yourself to yourself, like, I am always, I'm trying to be as cute as I can be like me. Like, I try to be as, like, I try to be cute. Like, I can be cute. I don't want to be cute the way you're cute because I'm going to study myself off the fail. Like, if I'm, but I've all I'm trying to do is like, just make myself the best myself can be. And then like, you can all, the only place you can go is up. And I really, I like that a lot. Because, you know, that's, that's just little ways I accentuate myself is what I'm saying. Like, that's why I went and got like all, you know, tug up. I got some plastic surgery. Oh, what? Yeah, okay. So after I lost, like, this was a couple of months ago in June. But like, after I lost all that weight, I had all this extra saggy skin there, you know, before I transitioned, I was like 200 pounds. And that was two and a half years ago. And I was 140 pounds last I checked. And so I had all this extra skin. So I had what's called a pinic electomy. It's not quite a tummy tuck because that involves like light bow. I had already lost all the fat. They just got rid of the skin, you know? But left this gnarly fucking scar there. Yeah. But, you know, I have a makeup cover up routine if I got to be on camera. I just figured I'd show it to you so there's no, but also there's no shame in this eye there. I think it's kind of cute. Fresh, you know, it's gonna be gone eventually. Like, I figured out a whole like makeup cover up routine, which works. The only thing is I wore it too. I had, I fucked this really hot couple in a hotel room like two weeks ago, actually it was really long. Tell me about it. Oh my god, it was good. It was like, it was a guy and it's like, the guy I had been with before. And he wanted to introduce me to his girlfriend. She was gorgeous. Oh my god. Big hat. He's like slim little waist, sexy tattoos, short, short, buzzed hair. I was like, oh my god, a static lesbian girl. Now the guy himself, he was like a big, burly kind of bear kind of guy, which works in his case, but he had this big, thick dick. Anyway, I had like all the cover up I had, like after the hour was done, I went to the bathroom, all of it was gone. I'm like, holy crap, you could see my scar, like clear as day, because it covers me nice, but yeah, not nice enough. You think like you had a baby. You would forget when they get the, how do you see that? The section. The fee section, yeah. Yeah, I know. If it helps give me that, yeah, it helps give me that, that milk look. Now I can start doing milk porn. New York have a male. Yeah, cool girl, cool girl, because we don't have, we don't have, you know. Oh, right, drama, cool girl. Like I, I, I, well, like overnight, I went from being like the girl next door to like the cougar down the street, the cougar around the corner, the cougar around the corner. There's a lot of experience. Look at that. You have a lot on encounters, a lot of encounters I see. Yeah, a lot of hot experiences. I, I, yeah, I mean, I, I go for it. Like I, um, you have to be a little proactive when you're a sex worker. I have friends that like, you know, they've been really not active for the last year. And I'm like, I mean, I don't want to see a bit too picky, but like, I, you know, I talk to people for as long as I can and to convince them that maybe they do want to, you know, go on a date with me. And, yeah, the work, you know, like, to me, I call it like client relations. You know, I got, I'm, it's sales. I'm selling myself. I'm selling my sex, um, I don't. And yeah, that's part of the, that's like the, uh, what's the term like the, um, spacing out. I'm such a bad professional person. I can never even think about the proper analogies. It's just, uh, you know, just like negotiation. I'm always negotiating, you know, a lot of, well, especially a lot of people that I deal with have never been with a trans woman before. And a lot of them still use a lot of backwards language and think a lot of things. Oh, you know, it's fine. Um, I've been most, I have to, you know, most of the time, they're like, okay, so don't say she-mail. Don't say ladyboy. I'm like, yes, those are bad things. I know, right? And I'm also like, if it's a porn category, you might not want to call the actual person that, you know, yeah, yeah, you're gonna be worth fucking a milk. You would never call her a milk to her face. You'd just be like, you're a very hot woman that I want to fuck, all right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why make the distinction? Why make the distinction, right? Yeah, they're probably important thing that I try to tell people is I try to stress the fact that a straight man, cis man, fucking a trans woman, is not gay. But a lot of guys think like, oh, I might be a little gay now because I like fucking, this, you know, I should be gay. And I'm like, why? I'm a woman and you're a straight man. Like the only thing that would be gay is if like you fucked me today and all of a sudden tomorrow, all you can think about is like big, mussely, hairy men. And they're like, men. That baby, I awoke something gay in you. I get that a lot. I get men that once, when I used to go to the glory hall, when I used to go to the glory hall. It's been years for me, too. I went with one of my gay friends. My male friends are used to help me with the camera and stuff like that. I wanted to be the one to talk to the cock. Can you believe that all of the guys, they didn't want my mouth. They wanted the guys. Like the guy, I can't believe that. The male cock. They wanted the male hairy sausage. So, so sometimes guys get upset that like, I have this like smooth girl dick. And I'm like, listen, I've explained so many times that girl dicks and guy dicks are very different. Daddy dicks and girl dicks. Daddy dicks and sissy clits are girl dicks and guy dicks. Like they are so different. And I'm like, and if guys have a problematic, hey, well, perhaps you just want a real man's dick because my girl dick might not be what you want. But on the flip side of that, I am very lucky to very often have men who understand that difference and they do, they love a girl dick. And I can tell cause those are the ones that take the time to like, please my girl dick. Not just like, some guys, you know, they close their eyes and lose themselves in the dick sucking. And I'm like, you're not sucking. Yeah, if you're just like sucking dick in your mind right now, and it's probably gonna make in your mind, you know, but the guys that like look up at me and touch me and like, you know, do it right and like, can be a hardness. And so they know they're doing it right, you know, like the way when you're eating a pussy and you try to, you know, take notice of is it getting wetter and my tasting her juices? Like, okay, I mean, I'm doing it right, you know, like, exactly, it's not between, it's between between, you know, difference between people know what they're doing and people who don't know what they're doing. Guys who know what they want, these guys who just, you know, don't know what they want. And again, this is what we, the worker, have to discern while we're there. Like, there's a lot of like impromptu thinking. Yeah. And we're working. God, I have not been to a glory hole in years. That's a very like inherently sissy thing. Like I stopped doing that, you know, well, well, before I went on your podcast the first time, even though you, you know, you know, you don't even remember this, but like years ago, when I called you on knife flirt, you dared me to go to my local glory hole and suck a cup and call you on knife flirt when I got there and I did and you didn't pick up. I remember this so well. I went there. I had like a buff plug in my ass. I was so nervous. And I'm like, and that was my move by go through like panties under my pants and like go to the best. This is the best thing about I can sometimes that sometimes we don't connect sometimes I am like outside. I cannot pick up the phone. Imagine, you know, that's why I tell people like write me first. But yes, yes, I was, I was a foolish to see back then. I had no idea what I was doing. But then I was like, well, I guess, I guess I'm going to do this anyway. Oh, yes, yes, yes. I have, I sometimes I missed the sissy days because I was a bit more like, oh, you can say either cavalier or, you know, carefree or it is very dangerous because I would just like walk into these places and do whatever. And I heard you know before documents about your sale more than I'm selling it. And also I would just rather like, you know, get on Grindr or FetLife or something and just go meet someone in the nice place. And now of course, I try to get paid for it. So I'm like, let's go to this hotel. There's this one video that you have from, I don't know how long ago it is, but like you got in some, some like Motel with one of your sissy's and like you just had a bunch of guys like come in one after the other to get their dick sucked. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. Did it come with that? I remember thinking just like, well, there's 200 bucks, well, there's 200 bucks. And I'm like, somebody better be getting paid. That happens, that happens, that happens. Yeah. No, I see, I don't want to go back. I see blow jobs as jobs. Like I don't see them as dicks. They are, they are. Sometimes people want to do it for fun. Usually like species of want to do it for fun. They just want to have that first experience, you know, the thrill being in some place that is terrifying, you know, like a dark motel, a chip motel. It's dark. You don't know who's going to come in. Your eyes, I blend folded. It's scary, I like to play with. It's scary. There is a thrill in that. And again, I would only like that if I had like your comforting voice in my ear, you know. I mean, it's not something that happens all the time that's like happening, you know, that happens. And thank God, like it's happened and it happened really good, you know, I, you know, how record, I how how I recorded that with a phone with the iPhone. Oh, and I submitted that to festivals and it won. Like people, people like this. And I never expected, it was the first time I won something. And people actually enjoy it. And this was with an iPhone. So, okay, you have convinced me. Okay, I will really when it comes to the video. Lighting, good lighting, good space, creative, you know, you're kinky, you know what your public might like. Oh, I do. Give it away. It's actually, and it's funny because I have, I have like two like distinct camps of what viewers want. There's like, there's all these guys that want, you know, I want more videos of you and your girl to call hard getting, getting sucked. I'm like, okay. And there's other ones that like, oh, I want you like spread open and gaped and I'm like, okay, those are two very different mindsets I have to be in. Different mindsets, yeah. Like, for example, if I'm going to like get my ass hole gaped all day, then like for 48 hours, all I'm having is like protein shakes and bananas and like lots of water, you know, but if I'm going to be like, you know, using my heart dick all night and like, fucking some person, I got to be like eating, fucking like meat and like rice. And I got to get, I got to get all my, my strength, you know? So like, I have like a mirror on this wall. And like when that cop was sucking my dick, I remember just like looking in and flexing. And I'm like, oh, that's why guys like that. Like, it's like I'm the reason I go for it. Yeah, that's like Patrick Bacon. Yeah, so in love with himself. And I'm like, wait, I get it. I love myself too. Yeah, all right. And why do you have just, yeah, but he was like apparently all of that, what's in his mind? Like that's his mind. And yeah, that's why we have to be careful. If you ever read the book, it makes, it's a lot more, it's a lot more apparent in the book that it's just all in his head. They're telling his mind. Yeah. Wow, oh, let me say, let me see what else. The NYC guy, when he told me about you, I thought he was lying. I thought he was like trawling me. And then that's why I asked you. Like, he was so easy to get a hold of. So because I, I get it, I will talk to him. He's in like obsessed like sometimes, he just keeps chatting, chatting, chatting to me about you, about you, like he wants to see you. He wants to make even clicks with you. Yes, tell me. Give me money. And like, because he said he's like, yeah, I'll get you an apartment. I'm like, yeah, fucking get me an apartment. I'll do, like, that would really help me out. And it would free me up to do all the things you want me to do. I just did that. I will do it. Yeah, at first, I thought like this guy listened to our podcast. And he's like inventing all this stuff. But you talked to him and you told me that he's real. He's real. I mean, he's real crazy. But then again, who isn't? I'm pretty crazy myself. Like, but he's nice and he's respectful. Like, you know, and what, and the only thing he really lacks is just education. And that's what I, I always try to inform somebody first before I get angry at them, you know? Like, you know, I said, don't say that we're Gmail once and he got it. Oh my God. You know how men can be, he gave him an inch and they will just take a mile. Bana, I can see you. You're playing with something down there. What are you putting a moisturizer on me? Because my dick is all dry. Are you putting moisturizer where? On my girl dick, because it was feeling kind of sore. Some guy was sucking on it a couple of days ago and like, you got a little toothy, so it's sore. It is. Oh, it's not like harder. It's not like harder. Yeah, me. Oh, we like that. I love it so cute. Thank you. So cute. I love it. I love it. I love it. You know what? I have the thing also for soft dick. I don't know why, but I kind of like it. For me, soft dick are horny, too, it makes me horny, it makes me want to like put it in my mouth and show on it, and soft on it. Soft dick has. I like it. I cannot have one conversation with you that does not make me want to marry you like a dozen different times. Like, I would they marry you in a second. I would take your last name and everything. I would be on the brad. I like soft dick, and I like when the soft dick takes the little strings of a pre-con. And then I always call it, I call that my little sissy spiderweb. It's like a little, like a little spiderweb from like from the bottom lip to the tip of my girl dick, and you slurp it all up, oh my god, I know we're getting nasty here. Oh shit. I might make you miss his brad. What? I might make you miss his brad. Better watch out for it. Maybe, you never know. Get you a green card if you do. Yeah, you have to figure that out. We'll get that guy to buy us some. I want this year to end, and I want to see how these things come out of it. What if he has an engine? Things weird things are happening. You never know what's going to happen in 2023, 2025. You're right. You're going to be aliens coming to talk to us, and then not only to be relevant anymore. At this point, nothing would surprise me either. That would not surprise me. I'd be like, of course, of course there's going to be aliens. Why not? Yeah. And none of them worries. None of those fears are going to be relevant anymore. The old lives are old worries are going to be what we're rescinding. You know, like more of what we thought. I mean, I hope that. There's more to come. There's more freaking stuff in there are people that are not going to take it very well. And there are people that are going to take it well, so. Yeah, and it's up to us to decide where we're going to be in that. And I'm all about going forward, you know, forward with myself, forward with the world, you know. Yeah, yeah. You have to. But in the meantime, we have to, you know, take it easy, try to, you know, you got to find happiness in your life. Okay, because. Life is going to try to make you want happy. So it's up to you to find the happiness in your life. Actually, in my therapist helped me out with this, but she was like, you know, like feed yourself. Like you would feed your baby. Like you want you would only feed your baby. Good stuff, right? I'm like, you're right. So you would feed your baby like McDonald's. I'm like, you're right. I'm like, so that's how, you know, that's how I try to treat things. And I am that same approach. You know, also works for like, you know, if you're angry at yourself, if you make a mistake and you want to yell at yourself, like. Would you yell at your child if it has made that mistake? No, you wouldn't. You try to like, let me teach you a lesson. So that next time you don't make that mistake. And that's all part of it. That's all just part of self love. This is treating us. And sometimes it's accepting, accepting, you know, the, what is happening? You know, that's wasted thought. We're not. Yeah. Yeah, I am. I had like a really intense acid trip. A couple of like a month ago, where I had the. You know, me. I'm always getting all psyched out like in far out. But. Yeah. Just like, but I have that same moment. Like I am just like a tiny spec. And like this big giant. Like, you know, this big giant organism. You know, I'm a tiny little tiny little tiny little tiny little person. Clinging to a rock just hurling through space. But you know, all that shit takes you so out of yourself. And makes you really see what's like really there. I'm going to get to far out if we talk about it. Yeah, yeah. I dropped the ass full intent of getting kinky. But like all it did was just make me. Yeah. Wow. Like why bother stressing out about all these little tiny things. I don't make any difference, you know, like. I had a bit of an eating disorder once upon a time ago. And as many women do. And psyched dogs was a way for me to kind of break through that all of a sudden. I'm like, why do I care about eating bread after 7 p.m.? Like sometimes it's good to have bread and cheese. Like eat the bread and cheese. And like, again, it's all it all goes back to this like taking care of yourself. Like doing good things for yourself. Doing good things to yourself. And for me. Moments like that. And you know, like, um. And it makes it easier when you go and do like. Disgusting kinky things, you know, having that love inside of you. Like, um, I, you know, I do ask to mouth like even without people asking me to. This could have to get a little fetish with me, you know. Like sometimes I get, you know, I worry like, are they going to think I'm gross? You know, but that's your while. I'm like, fuck it. I think it's hot. You know, and. Yeah. And they always like it. They always like it. Daddy. Oh, four. Okay. Like there's no. No, you're a giver. I mean, you're a giver, you're a giver. You're a. I always say I'm a. I'm a pleasure. I'm a pleasure. You need a. I'm a. I know. Like, I'm. I'm a nice girl. But I think I would probably be like a pleasure. Demon. Like, I would just be like the kind of demon that is offers you sex drugs, kock and holes and all the cool stuff. Like, I love that thing. Say it again. Sex drugs, coccionals, sex drugs, and coccionals. Then drugs and coccionals, I love it. That's just what I think about it. And where are you going to do? What are you going to do? I'm going to finish this call. Are you going to take Nyfler call? I'm going to say, what's your handle? What's your handle on Nyfler? Oh, oh, I am Ivana DeLuna. On Nyfler, I am in the transgender category. I'm usually in the top 20. My primarily in the extra kinky category for all of your role-play desires and all of your kinky, nasty, taboo, talking things out. Oh, yes. Entering those in the extra kinky. But I'm also, I've been doing a little bit of work on chatterbait, which is also chatterbait slash ona DeLuna. But also, people can find me on Skype at Vana DeLuna and pay me at the cash tab, my cash tag, Vana DeLuna. I try to keep it simple. It's just my name. You find a site you like, chances are it's like pornhub.com slash Vana DeLuna. That's where you will find me. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Yes. I think you wrote me that you were sucking cock at Nyf, something like that, that you get to suck cock, but at Nyf, you're telling me something like that? What's you? Well, I'm not a drip. I mean, I suck cock at all points of the day, really. Most of my people come to me at night, I suppose, under the cover of dark night. Like a vampire? Like a vampire that I am a little cock vampire. Yeah, you suck blood out of the cob, the cumbain. Yeah, I'm like a cumb vampire. It's more like that. Yeah, you know, become a trans woman is kind of like becoming a vampire. Like, you gain a lot of new powers, but you gain some big weaknesses too. You know, like, and like, you survive on like a heavy regimen of cum and estrogen that keeps you going. But, you know, also as far as being safe in the age of COVID, like, I think I've had like six COVID tests in the last like two months, because like... Very good, very good. I have a client and then like, you know, four or five days later, I get tested and when I get that test result back, I tell the next client, hey, I've been tested on this date, so, you know, I'm good to go. That's very important. I mean, it is important. I take this shit seriously and, you know, like... Yeah. Because, you know, eventually, you're gonna get the client that wants to give you a kiss, you know, and you wanna do that. And again, if you're safe and I'm safe, we all try to be as careful as we can, but, you know, I have to take their word for it. At some point, may have to take mine. But, so far so good, I got tested three days ago, and I'm good. Ooh. Yes, me too. I'm good too. So that's why I want to like maintain it that way. I know, but like, then I'm gonna get back to working at some point. So, and, because I do like working... I love doing cam stuff like this, but still, to me, getting really pissed off. In person, you know, that's where I shine, you know? And I wanna drink. So like, whenever anybody is actually down to meet in real life, I'm like, okay, you're gonna be one happy camper, just you wait. Like, and I've had a couple of people, a lot of time wasteers, you like, start talking to you, and then like, start getting a little distant halfway through, and arrange some kind of meeting, and then like, flake out on the day. And... Classic, that's classic, you gotta learn it. Classic. But I'm always so like, dude, you just fucking missed out big time. Like, I am a fucking great kingdeal. I'm wasteers, yeah. You have to be careful with that. Once you see something shady like that, just go eat and move on. Because that's not gonna change. Again, like I said, I feel bad when I do. I'm like, I'm like, you fucking, like you poor, poor fool. Now I have to block you, because like, you were about to fucking... Yeah, block it. There's some more, yeah. Because I know a lot of other girls that charge a lot more money than I do, and don't do half the things I do. Well, I just, I hear people complaining about this or that in the job, and I like, to me, those are just things that I put up with or I at least kind of work around because I'm just more concerned with working. I'm all about the customer relationship, you know? Even back in those old night flirt days, I was always so cordial and polite, because like, I want you to be my friend, not just, you know, my domino. I'm the same way, that's how I connect, friendly. Yeah, and then, I think that's, I think that's why you and I succeed in that area. Because, I mean, being dominant is not to be a bitch. I mean, being dominant is not to be a bitch. And being sensitive is not about being like, you know, a fucking like, like I always say like, I think of me like, you know, like a wind of dull with autonomy and feelings to consider, you know? You give me the money, I am the dull for an hour, but you have to also remember a person with my own thoughts and feelings, you know? Like, so like, you can't, you can't try to break me, you know? But have fun at the same time. A lot of life friends are like femme, that do stuff, I don't do like the, like girls that do like foot stuff and wrestling. And like, and I'm just like, oh, I do like, come shots and anal gapes and stuff like that. And it's like apples and oranges, right? I'll, you know, and also it's good to start, you know, developing your own thing, you know? Even if you've seen on your own, develop your own thing and then according of the things that you're developing, your style, then you start connecting with the people that kind of like match with you. And some people are going to be a bitch to you. Some other girls are going to be a bitch. Some girls are going to be nice. That's the way we're all girls are. Sadly, most of the other trans girls I have met in the business are kind of bitchy. I don't want to say, I mean, only, I only say that because I'm a little bit, I'm always like, why can't we just be nice? Why aren't you just being nice to me? What it is, it is, what it is. So be your old cheerleader. Hiya. Hiya. And clean the place, iPhone, lighting, and start getting creative. And constantly, you know, constantly, put it on poor health, put it on the clip side. And not only put it on Twitter, put it in a lot of other places. Oh my God. I forgot. People, you have to follow my only fans. I forgot. I only got, I only have, I only have like four followers. It's super embarrassing. But all of my content is up there and more to come. You want to see pictures of my girl take all nice and hard. You want to see a picture of my big open asshole? Follow me on onlyfansonlyfans.com slash fauna de Luna. V-A-N-A-D-E-L-U-N-A. It's simple. But yeah, there's lots of good shit there. And I want to put more stuff on there. But you know, it's, again, a little hard to motivate yourself when no one's really watching, you know? But you're right. I am going to step it up. This is a job. Yeah. Okay. Start writing stuff. Writing what you're going to do. You know, today, yeah, that's on the list today. Okay. Yes, yes, yes. But also, you have to take control. You know, take control the horse. You know, I think you and I have the same therapist because like, this is the exact kind of stuff she tells me to do. I mean, this is very important for my tracks work, you know? So like, it's worldwide, you know, everyone is going through the same thing. Even the people that are big to you are going through stuff too. Now, I never try to hold a serious grudge against other girls like that, because I just see that's the thing. At the very base of it, I always just assume it's just some kind of miscommunication thing. Like, you know, or if people are just too wrapped up in their own, their own genre, which is, you know, also totally okay? Yeah, maybe, maybe they are stressed out, you know? I'm stressed out some time. But yet, an image, they have to project an image and stuff like that and they're going through their own process. I know. I mean, yeah, you're right. It's that exactly. And that's why you really can't take things too personally. Feelings versus fact. I feel like I should take this personally, but factually, I know I should not take this personally, you know? Like, yeah, my name is some last words before I go. Oh, there are, there are no, there are no last words with you and me. There is always just words. We are forever in the middle of a never ending conversation. And we're going to keep conversing. And then when a couple of months passes, we're going to see each other again and see how you beat up to this exact. You have given me like the assignment of, you know, getting more clips out there, getting a bit, you know, just doing, I have a penchant for avoiding, you know, the hard work that I have to do. So like, sure, I'll do phones, like sure, I'll do a cam show, but like, I don't want to shoot a clip. That's too much work. So that's the part I have to put my big girl panties on and go and, uh, be proud of you. And when you feel down, remember what we just talked about. Remember that Miss Brett loves you. Of course, I love you. Of course, and I love, and I love it to my friends, you know, and I'm not a lot of friends that you're one of them. And so you're part of my, my, uh, circle. Hi, me, me cord is on. They all know. I would say I'm a dumb band, but I don't want to get a new show. We, yes, thank you. We should, let's end it at that. Okay, peace in the month in 2020. You are the greatest. I will talk to you soon. Bye, baby.